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2 cycle oil
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Harry
2006-04-10 16:51:40 UTC
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I am new to the 2 cycle scooter world.

I have a 2004 Vespa ET2.

Concerning the mixing of oil and gas. This scooter has a gas tank that
holds 2.4 gallons and an oil tank that hold about a quart.

There are several kinds of 2 cycle oil. I did not get a manual with the
Vespa - but that is another story.

What kind of 2 cycle oil do I use in the Vespa? Do I use the same kind
of 2 cycle oil as I mix for my chain saw - yard blower - and weed
wacker? Those appliances say to mix it 50:1.

I just came back from the auto store and they only had one kind of 2
cycle oil.

I know there are a lot of 2 cycle experts on this group. Please tell me
what kind of oil to buy and where can I get it?

Harry
Bike guy Joe
2006-04-11 00:42:59 UTC
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Yes, any good name brand two stroke oil for AIR COOLED ENGINES will
work. Just don't use the stuff for outboards. You don't need to spend a
fortune on synthetic oil either unless it makes you feel better. I used
Yamalube half synthetic for a long time, but then I went to Penzoil for
air cooled two strokes. We use it in the ultralight planes, weedwacker,
leaf blower, and my Yamaha Vino 50cc.

You will now get a hundred replies and differing advice.

Walmart has several two stroke oils in the lawn care section, so does
Lowe's and Home Depot.
SoCalMike
2006-04-11 01:12:40 UTC
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Post by Harry
I know there are a lot of 2 cycle experts on this group. Please tell me
what kind of oil to buy and where can I get it?
id check out the vespa yahoo groups and see what everyone recommends.

as a last resort, id go to the closest motorcycle dealer and get some 2
stroke there. yamalube, or equivalent.

chainsaw, lawnmower, or outboard engine oil? nope. never. not worth the risk
tomcas
2006-04-11 01:59:10 UTC
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Post by Harry
I am new to the 2 cycle scooter world.
I have a 2004 Vespa ET2.
Concerning the mixing of oil and gas. This scooter has a gas tank that
holds 2.4 gallons and an oil tank that hold about a quart.
There are several kinds of 2 cycle oil. I did not get a manual with the
Vespa - but that is another story.
What kind of 2 cycle oil do I use in the Vespa? Do I use the same kind
of 2 cycle oil as I mix for my chain saw - yard blower - and weed
wacker? Those appliances say to mix it 50:1.
I just came back from the auto store and they only had one kind of 2
cycle oil.
I know there are a lot of 2 cycle experts on this group. Please tell me
what kind of oil to buy and where can I get it?
Harry
I agree with Joe 100%. Don't use two-cycle engine oil intended for
water-cooled engines. Those are marked TC-W3 or W2 and are only good for
break-in, and then only when run at very concentrated ratios in a gas
premix. Instead use a semi synthetic of fully synthetic intended
specifically for air-cooled engines. They will be marked JASO FC or FD,
and also ISO-L-EGC or EGD. There are some air-cooled oils marked just
API TC with out any other rating. These are OK but still inferior. I use
Yamalube 2S because its the best value quality oil for me. There are
better oils but the cost a crap load.
As far as mix ratio, that's an easy one. You don't have to premix
because your bike has autolube injection. Just pour the oil straight
into the oil tank without diluting. The gas never needs to have oil
added to it except when the bike is brand new.
Heres a list I created on oils-
I agree with Joe 100%. Don't use two-cycle engine oil intended for
water-cooled engines. Those are marked TC-W3 or W2 and are only good for
break-in, and then only when run at very concentrated ratios in a gas
premix. Instead use a semi synthetic of fully synthetic intended
specifically for air-cooled engines. They will be marked JASO FC or FD,
and also ISO-L-EGC or EGD. There are some air-cooled oils marked just
API TC with out any other rating. These are OK but still inferior. I use
Yamalube 2S because its the best value quality oil for me. There are
better oils but the cost a crap load.
As far as mix ratio, that's an easy one. You don't have to premix
because your bike has autolube injection. Just pour the oil straight
into the oil tank without diluting. The gas never needs to have oil
added to it except when the bike is brand new.
Heres a list I created on oils-

Brand Name TypeorNotes Inj,Premix,or Both Jaso Iso Api
Spectro Golden 2T both FC GD
Marine both FD GD
Sun-Sno both FD GD
Shell Advance Ultra 2 FD GD TC
VSX 2 Semi-syn both FD GD TC
Scooter 2 Semi-syn,water orair cooled both FD GD TC
Scooter Plus 2 Fully-syn both FD GD TC
Valvoline 2stroke Motorcycleoil Pepboys FC GD TC
All multi W3 TC
Castrol Act-ero 2 stroke FC
Gran Prix TC
Citgo All multi use TC-W3
Havoline TC-W3 FB GB TC
Pennzoil Outdoor 2 cycle not multi use TC
Snowmobile TC, TC-W3
Quaker State 2 cycle Motorcycle FC TC
2 cycle universalfor Aircooled FB TC
2cycle premiumgreen low smoke FC GD
Amsoil Saber Pro not forinjection FC GD TC
Saber Outbooard TC-W3
Syn. 2 cycle Inj TC, TC-W3
100-1 FC TC, TC-W3
series 2000 FC TC, TC-W3
Dominator FC TC
Interceptor FC TC
Injector TC, TC-W3
Yamalube 2-S Semi-syn both FC
Blue Marble Pure Mineral both FD GD TC-W3
tomcas
2006-04-11 02:19:12 UTC
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Post by Harry
I am new to the 2 cycle scooter world.
I have a 2004 Vespa ET2.
Concerning the mixing of oil and gas. This scooter has a gas tank that
holds 2.4 gallons and an oil tank that hold about a quart.
There are several kinds of 2 cycle oil. I did not get a manual with the
Vespa - but that is another story.
What kind of 2 cycle oil do I use in the Vespa? Do I use the same kind
of 2 cycle oil as I mix for my chain saw - yard blower - and weed
wacker? Those appliances say to mix it 50:1.
I just came back from the auto store and they only had one kind of 2
cycle oil.
I know there are a lot of 2 cycle experts on this group. Please tell me
what kind of oil to buy and where can I get it?
Harry
Sorry, the oil list did not convert from excel very well. I can email to
you, just ask.
Bike guy Joe
2006-04-11 11:47:17 UTC
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It's readable and well done.....
Harry
2006-04-11 14:52:01 UTC
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In article <EmE_f.669$***@fe12.lga>,
tomcas <***@mjwebsitedesign.com> wrote:

Thank you for the oil list.

I will take it with me shopping today.

Harry

gazzafield
2006-04-11 12:25:05 UTC
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Post by Harry
I am new to the 2 cycle scooter world.
I have a 2004 Vespa ET2.
Concerning the mixing of oil and gas. This scooter has a gas tank that
holds 2.4 gallons and an oil tank that hold about a quart.
There are several kinds of 2 cycle oil. I did not get a manual with the
Vespa - but that is another story.
What kind of 2 cycle oil do I use in the Vespa? Do I use the same kind
of 2 cycle oil as I mix for my chain saw - yard blower - and weed
wacker? Those appliances say to mix it 50:1.
I just came back from the auto store and they only had one kind of 2
cycle oil.
I know there are a lot of 2 cycle experts on this group. Please tell me
what kind of oil to buy and where can I get it?
Any semi-synthetic MOTORCYCLE two stroke oil will do. No need to mix it,
you have an oil tank for that. HTH.
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