a question about oil

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I was wondering is it best to check the oil when the machine is
already warm or should it always be checked when the machine is cold?
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On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 12:36:39 -0500,

Post by C***@deathtochristianity.pl
I was wondering is it best to check the oil when the machine is
already warm or should it always be checked when the machine is cold?

Nevermind I found it on the web, and I think this has been the cause
of all or most of my problems with my scoots. The reason it keeps
dying at a red light, the reason it keeps loosing power, pretty much
everything has come because I have been checking the oil when it is
cold and then adding too much...

Stupid Stupid me...

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On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 12:42:52 -0500,

Post by C***@deathtochristianity.pl
On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 12:36:39 -0500,

Post by C***@deathtochristianity.pl
I was wondering is it best to check the oil when the machine is
already warm or should it always be checked when the machine is cold?

Nevermind I found it on the web, and I think this has been the cause
of all or most of my problems with my scoots. The reason it keeps
dying at a red light, the reason it keeps loosing power, pretty much
everything has come because I have been checking the oil when it is
cold and then adding too much...
Stupid Stupid me...

Ok new question about oil... The site that I read said warm the bike
up turn it off and check the oil... I did that and it looked on the
lower side of ok..

Then I checked it while running and it was on the lower side of too
much...

Which is it? a little too much or just enough? It did die on me today
a couple of times at red lights but not nearly as much

I got up to an incredible 36 MPH... that's like fast for a 50 cc...

felt like I was flying....


I think I should put in a turbo .. LOL

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Post by C***@deathtochristianity.pl
I was wondering is it best to check the oil when the machine is
already warm or should it always be checked when the machine is cold?

Cold to lukewarm... You do not want to check the oil level immediately
after shutting down the engine (so much for all those old movies with full
service gas stations <G>) -- the oil needs time to seep off all the engine
passages and back into the sump. Lukewarm is also the practice when
changing oil, as it is just warm enough to drain rapidly.

Topping off when checked hot (ie; not allowed to settle) will
over-fill, and may result in the crankshaft actually splashing in the oil
(especially automobiles -- I've not looked into motorcycle engine design to
tell if that is possible). Even correctly filled may have splashes if you
have a dipstick (hence, pull, wipe, reinsert, pull, check). Also warm oil
(after settling) may have expanded some, so taking a bit more space than
fully cold.

Make sure to check on the level -- center-stand, not side-stand.

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On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 15:33:03 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by C***@deathtochristianity.pl
I was wondering is it best to check the oil when the machine is
already warm or should it always be checked when the machine is cold?

Cold to lukewarm... You do not want to check the oil level immediately
after shutting down the engine (so much for all those old movies with full
service gas stations <G>) -- the oil needs time to seep off all the engine
passages and back into the sump. Lukewarm is also the practice when
changing oil, as it is just warm enough to drain rapidly.
Topping off when checked hot (ie; not allowed to settle) will
over-fill, and may result in the crankshaft actually splashing in the oil
(especially automobiles -- I've not looked into motorcycle engine design to
tell if that is possible). Even correctly filled may have splashes if you
have a dipstick (hence, pull, wipe, reinsert, pull, check). Also warm oil
(after settling) may have expanded some, so taking a bit more space than
fully cold.
Make sure to check on the level -- center-stand, not side-stand.

alrightey then!! thanks !

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On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 15:33:03 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by C***@deathtochristianity.pl
I was wondering is it best to check the oil when the machine is
already warm or should it always be checked when the machine is cold?

Cold to lukewarm... You do not want to check the oil level immediately
after shutting down the engine (so much for all those old movies with full
service gas stations <G>) -- the oil needs time to seep off all the engine
passages and back into the sump. Lukewarm is also the practice when
changing oil, as it is just warm enough to drain rapidly.
Topping off when checked hot (ie; not allowed to settle) will
over-fill, and may result in the crankshaft actually splashing in the oil
(especially automobiles -- I've not looked into motorcycle engine design to
tell if that is possible). Even correctly filled may have splashes if you
have a dipstick (hence, pull, wipe, reinsert, pull, check). Also warm oil
(after settling) may have expanded some, so taking a bit more space than
fully cold.
Make sure to check on the level -- center-stand, not side-stand.

I believe I have the major problems of it dying at every red light
taken care of... It still dies at like maybe every 7th light instead
of every single light. It idles better, it is easier to warm up and it
is running a little better.

I have also learned that if you dont keep your tires properly inflated
50 cc's will not go very fast.

I have been considering a ninja 250 or maybe even a 300 what do you
think? 250 would be marginally better on gas a 300 would go a bit
faster but why would I ever really need to go faster than 70 80 mph
anyway? I would not mind getting a bike with a sidecar that would help
out with groceries. And some where to put stuff if I take it to the
beach or something. Then again I really would not ever need a bike
that would go over 60 because I dont really see myself going over 55
at anytime on a bike. 60 may be nice in case they raise the minimum on
the interstate.

so maybe all I would really ever need is a decant 150 maybe even a
200. What is your opinion on the matter.. I would love another
opinion.

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Post by C***@deathtochristianity.pl
I have been considering a ninja 250 or maybe even a 300 what do you
think? 250 would be marginally better on gas a 300 would go a bit
faster but why would I ever really need to go faster than 70 80 mph
anyway? I would not mind getting a bike with a sidecar that would help
out with groceries. And some where to put stuff if I take it to the
beach or something. Then again I really would not ever need a bike
that would go over 60 because I dont really see myself going over 55
at anytime on a bike. 60 may be nice in case they raise the minimum on
the interstate.
so maybe all I would really ever need is a decant 150 maybe even a
200. What is your opinion on the matter.. I would love another
opinion.

Sorry... Can't provide suggestions.

My first was a 200cc Vespa, and my current is a 460cc Aprilia.

The Vespa would easily lose 10MPH on some overpasses when running at
freeway speeds (65MPH limit, allowing for speedometer error the Vespa was
showing 70MPH and would drop to 60MPH by the top of the incline).

In California, the minimum allowed on a freeway is 150cc (which makes
most 150cc engines questionable -- since they tend to really be 149cc, just
as most 50cc are 49cc). Michigan (last time I checked) allows 125cc -- but
I think that is a relic from the days of a 55MPH Federal speed limit; most
freeways are now 70MPH with a MINIMUM of 55MPH.

My best suggestion would be to size the engine such that you can
maintain the limit while going uphill. And much more if you plan a side-car
(a side-car will be 50-75% of the weight of the bike itself, so visualize
the performance as if you had a 200-250lb person sitting behind you -- and
that ignores added wind drag and contents of the side-car).

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On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 16:08:36 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by C***@deathtochristianity.pl
I have been considering a ninja 250 or maybe even a 300 what do you
think? 250 would be marginally better on gas a 300 would go a bit
faster but why would I ever really need to go faster than 70 80 mph
anyway? I would not mind getting a bike with a sidecar that would help
out with groceries. And some where to put stuff if I take it to the
beach or something. Then again I really would not ever need a bike
that would go over 60 because I dont really see myself going over 55
at anytime on a bike. 60 may be nice in case they raise the minimum on
the interstate.
so maybe all I would really ever need is a decant 150 maybe even a
200. What is your opinion on the matter.. I would love another
opinion.

Sorry... Can't provide suggestions.
My first was a 200cc Vespa, and my current is a 460cc Aprilia.
The Vespa would easily lose 10MPH on some overpasses when running at
freeway speeds (65MPH limit, allowing for speedometer error the Vespa was
showing 70MPH and would drop to 60MPH by the top of the incline).
In California, the minimum allowed on a freeway is 150cc (which makes
most 150cc engines questionable -- since they tend to really be 149cc, just
as most 50cc are 49cc). Michigan (last time I checked) allows 125cc -- but
I think that is a relic from the days of a 55MPH Federal speed limit; most
freeways are now 70MPH with a MINIMUM of 55MPH.
My best suggestion would be to size the engine such that you can
maintain the limit while going uphill. And much more if you plan a side-car
(a side-car will be 50-75% of the weight of the bike itself, so visualize
the performance as if you had a 200-250lb person sitting behind you -- and
that ignores added wind drag and contents of the side-car).

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On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 16:08:36 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by C***@deathtochristianity.pl
I have been considering a ninja 250 or maybe even a 300 what do you
think? 250 would be marginally better on gas a 300 would go a bit
faster but why would I ever really need to go faster than 70 80 mph
anyway? I would not mind getting a bike with a sidecar that would help
out with groceries. And some where to put stuff if I take it to the
beach or something. Then again I really would not ever need a bike
that would go over 60 because I dont really see myself going over 55
at anytime on a bike. 60 may be nice in case they raise the minimum on
the interstate.
so maybe all I would really ever need is a decant 150 maybe even a
200. What is your opinion on the matter.. I would love another
opinion.

Sorry... Can't provide suggestions.
My first was a 200cc Vespa, and my current is a 460cc Aprilia.
The Vespa would easily lose 10MPH on some overpasses when running at
freeway speeds (65MPH limit, allowing for speedometer error the Vespa was
showing 70MPH and would drop to 60MPH by the top of the incline).
In California, the minimum allowed on a freeway is 150cc (which makes
most 150cc engines questionable -- since they tend to really be 149cc, just
as most 50cc are 49cc). Michigan (last time I checked) allows 125cc -- but
I think that is a relic from the days of a 55MPH Federal speed limit; most
freeways are now 70MPH with a MINIMUM of 55MPH.
My best suggestion would be to size the engine such that you can
maintain the limit while going uphill. And much more if you plan a side-car
(a side-car will be 50-75% of the weight of the bike itself, so visualize
the performance as if you had a 200-250lb person sitting behind you -- and
that ignores added wind drag and contents of the side-car).

Well the side car was really just what I was thinking if I got a
actual motorcycle, I did not even think a side car would hook to a
scooter.....

I really want to keep the engine kind of small because those bigger
bikes can get heavy as hell.... That is kind of why I wanted to stick
with a 150 cc...

Do you know much about Yamaha? are they a good scooter brand?

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[Dennis Lee Bieber]

Post by C***@deathtochristianity.pl
Well the side car was really just what I was thinking if I got a
actual motorcycle, I did not even think a side car would hook to a
scooter.....

Depends upon age -- old Vespa's were available with side-cars, but you
wouldn't want to take them beyond city streets.

Post by C***@deathtochristianity.pl
I really want to keep the engine kind of small because those bigger
bikes can get heavy as hell.... That is kind of why I wanted to stick
with a 150 cc...

One learns how to put one back on its wheels... The dung beetle is
nearly 500lbs.

Post by C***@deathtochristianity.pl
Do you know much about Yamaha? are they a good scooter brand?

No help. Most of the models I'd studied a decade ago are probably
defunct. Haven't seen a Honda SilverWing in a long time, nor Suzuki Burgman
(though a web search indicates they are still in production -- at least,
the 400cc class has a 2019 model -- the 650 [which is what I'd end up with,
given I currently have a "500" class {460cc} Aprilia] is a 2018 model, and
still lacks the storage space I'm used to... I have a top-case that can
hold two helmets, along with detachable side cases).